TL;DR to solve the etching of glassware, we are using half as much detergent and running a shorter dishwasher cycle.
For years now we’ve experienced the slow fogging of our drinking glasses. At one time we thought perhaps it was that we had bought cheap glasses, so we bought some better ones, but experience the same thing. We thought perhaps it was hard water deposits, even though we have a softener, but soaking in vinegar and scrubbing didn’t make a difference; the glasses are definitely getting etched.
Now, to be sure, it definitely does affect some glasses and not others. But we can’t seem to figure out why. Some inexpensive glasses are not affected while other expensive ones are.
Some resources we found identified phosphates as the culprit, but most detergents have been phosphate free for some time. And we were using two of Consumer Reports top detergent brands.
Like many lingering issues, this one nibbled at us, and I just felt that it was somewhat hopeless as the things we had tried didn’t seem to make a difference.
Well, recently I decided to give it another go did some searching. Something in this article stuck me.
A senior scientist from P&G explained that a perfect glass-etching storm can happen inside a dishwasher if you have these four things: soft water, low soil load, high temperatures, and chelating agents. She went on to say, “Chelating agents, or chelants, are a major part of auto-dishwashing formulations because they form soluble complexes with calcium and other metal ions, enabling them to remove food soils and limescale, soften water, and boost hygienic cleaning action.” When you soften water as I do at my home, you remove the calcium from the water. Uh oh!
To prevent glass etching, she suggested not rinsing dishes and glasses, wash in shorter cycles, not using the pots-and-pans or sanitizing settings, and using a dishwashing product that contains zinc.
Softened water – check
Low soil – check (I’ve been aggressively scraping and rinsing plates after twice having to fix a clogged discharge tube)
High temperatures – check
Chelating agents – check
So I’ve got all the elements there for the problem. I tried to find a detergent with zinc, but no-one seems to advertise that, or even show an ingredients list for their products.
I did a little more searching and found some very interesting tips
- Use less detergent
- Use a shorter cycle
I’d read that due to energy efficiency regulations, dishwashers now run much longer than they used to in order to get the same amount of clean. Ours typically runs a 2 hours cycle, but does have a 1 hour quick cycle. It makes sense that a shorter cycle gives less time for the detergent to react with the glass, and there is less detergent so it has more of a chance of reacting with the dirt, rather than the glass.
So our approach now is to cut our detergent tabs in half, and run the quick cycle. So far, the dishes are coming out just as clean, so I am hopeful that our etching problem is also solved. I think I am going to zip tie some glasses that have previously etched in our dishwasher like I previously did with a Bakelite dishwasher test, and see what happens.
I have high hopes that this will solve our problem.
Update: After about 9 months of using half the detergent and the quick cycle, I am happy to say the glass etching seems to have stopped.
Any updates? Same problem here.
It seems to us that the reduced detergent and shorter cycle have cured the problem, yes.
We have the same problem and it’s bad. What detergent are you using and did you just fill the holder 1/2 up?
We use the finish tablets (with the red dot) and just cut them in half.
Immediately when reading “low soil load” I recalled the words of the dishwasher salesperson (for our Bosch machine), “do NOT scrape the dishes. Modern dishwashers are designed for a certain amount of food left on the dishes. Internet search now give me this info: “You do not need to pre-rinse. Just scrape the solids into the bin, says Ashley Iredale, white goods expert at the independent consumer advocacy group Choice. Most dishwashers have inbuilt turbidity sensors that measure how much dirt is in the water from the first rinse cycle, so rinsed plates may fool the system.”
Therefore, assiduously scraping dishes is not good because it’s just like pre-rinsing.
I agree and a appliance repair person told us the same thing years ago. But I’ll add this caveat; my kids often put dishes in the sink with a lot of “chunks” on them, and several times I’ve had to unclog the drain line right where it connects to the overflow / airgap. So I do suggest removing the largest pieces.